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RE: Preterism vs. Futurism - One Stop Thread - 11/16/2008 9:36:12 PM
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SonicStudent
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We better start a new thread here, as we are off topic a little.
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RE: Preterism vs. Futurism - One Stop Thread - 11/17/2008 12:08:47 AM
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Retrobyter
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Shalom, Bob.
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Is it possible that anyone can bring these two half brothers together after thousands of years of hate? If someone could somehow get them to see they had the same father, and they worshiped the same God of their father (even though it's not true), maybe!
That is a possibility...I was just thinking as I was writing...what if something like that happened and the AC took a seat in the Dome? Crazy but just a thought.
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That's an interesting thought. Maybe the AC will sit in the PLACE where the Temple once stood, showing himself to be God! Is that what you meant?
I believe that this scenario would be just as hard to accomplish. I mean, will the Muslims be any more willing to have the AC sit in the Dome of the Rock than they would be willing to allow the Jews to rebuild their Temple? I can't see either happening any time soon.
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RE: Preterism vs. Futurism - One Stop Thread - 11/17/2008 12:19:20 AM
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Hi Retro…
If someone were smooth enough to bring both religions together under one god…both sides being the children of Abraham. This wouldn’t fool the elect but it would appear that some people will believe almost anything. I know this sounds impossible, but…
An example of this is the willingness of the high majority of Jews to vote for a liberal president who might very well have strong Muslim ties and wants to take Israel back to the 1948 borders.
Once again I’m thinking out loud…
Bob
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RE: Preterism vs. Futurism - One Stop Thread - 11/17/2008 1:03:53 AM
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So I’m very stuck between heart and head, even when I’ve thought I’ve settle on a view point, the other nags me! Aaaaaaaahhh!!!!
Peace be to you, Sonic,
I know all too well what you're going through. I was raised Lutheran, and I began questioning the Lutheran stance about Baptism. As time went on, I faced a lot of pressure from fellow Lutherans because I was questioning this "means of grace." However, through the tumultuous period of discovery, the waves got bigger but the Spirit gave me peace. Through it, I came to a point where I was assured that the conclusion stood firmly on the Word of God. I had the similar experience when I began grappling with the issue of Free Will vs. the Election of the Saints. Through this, I also was granted peace of mind and heart by the Spirit.
I am certain that the same peace will come over us as we venture together to understand the Word of our Lord. For of this I am certain: God is a God of peace. I pray that as we continue to humbly seek understanding and wisdom from the Word of God that the Holy Spirit will grant us this very peace. So, do not let your heart be troubled. This is the greatest adventure of them all. While the world (and some economics students) grapple with issues of this world (financial turmoil, etc.), we are able to seek wisdom from the Ancient of Days.
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RE: Preterism vs. Futurism - One Stop Thread - 11/17/2008 1:50:42 AM
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Hi Retro…
If someone were smooth enough to bring both religions together under one god…both sides being the children of Abraham. This wouldn’t fool the elect but it would appear that some people will believe almost anything. I know this sounds impossible, but…
An example of this is the willingness of the high majority of Jews to vote for a liberal president who might very well have strong Muslim ties and wants to take Israel back to the 1948 borders.
Once again I’m thinking out loud…
Bob
Well, would it be that difficult if it were someone who claimed to be and had genealogical "proof" that they are descendants of both King David and Mohammed? If I were a betting man, this would seem to be the way for an "angel of light" to fool the world into accepting him as the last imam (I think that is what the Muslims are watching for) and the messiah.
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“Well,” says one, “I like to be my own master.” Yes, and that involves two things;
first, you have a very bad master; and, next, your master has a fool for his servant.
- Charles Spurgeon
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RE: Preterism vs. Futurism - One Stop Thread - 11/18/2008 1:07:52 AM
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Retrobyter
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Shalom, Josh4LinC and Bob.
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Hi Retro…
If someone were smooth enough to bring both religions together under one god…both sides being the children of Abraham. This wouldn’t fool the elect but it would appear that some people will believe almost anything. I know this sounds impossible, but…
An example of this is the willingness of the high majority of Jews to vote for a liberal president who might very well have strong Muslim ties and wants to take Israel back to the 1948 borders.
Once again I’m thinking out loud…
Bob
Well, would it be that difficult if it were someone who claimed to be and had genealogical "proof" that they are descendants of both King David and Mohammed? If I were a betting man, this would seem to be the way for an "angel of light" to fool the world into accepting him as the last imam (I think that is what the Muslims are watching for) and the messiah.
Yes, well said, both of you. It's scripturally possible, i.e., there's nothing I know of which prevents such a possibility. That's the epitome of ecumenism, wouldn't you say? It's surely the goal of the Bahai faith! Furthermore, with advances in genetic fingerprinting, it's becoming more likely to happen all the time! In fact, with gene splicing and genetic engineering, they may even find a way to CREATE such a person! Who knows? (See what I mean, though, about wild and far out theologies?)
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RE: Preterism vs. Futurism - One Stop Thread - 11/18/2008 1:15:05 AM
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We're all a little bit crazy at times and for some it's all time.
Bob
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RE: Preterism vs. Futurism - One Stop Thread - 11/18/2008 12:13:12 PM
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SonicStudent
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What do you mean Bob - WAHAAAY WHOOO FLIBCHATAWHOOOOO GLIP !!!
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RE: Preterism vs. Futurism - One Stop Thread - 11/18/2008 12:43:05 PM
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bob97
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I think I've got a problem...I understood that.
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RE: Preterism vs. Futurism - One Stop Thread - 11/18/2008 12:46:34 PM
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You're in good company mate LOL
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RE: Preterism vs. Futurism - One Stop Thread - 11/18/2008 2:29:02 PM
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Retrobyter
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Shalom, Bob and Sonic.
Yes, it's important that we often return to what is solid. Return to the Scriptures often for your anchors into reality. Whatever theories we hear or even invent ourselves, we MUST be sure of Truth, and our theories must be tempered with that Truth.
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RE: Preterism vs. Futurism - One Stop Thread - 11/18/2008 2:37:39 PM
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SonicStudent
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Shalom to you also Retro,
Very true! I always try to make sure that I bring this to the Good Book, it needs to be seen in that light. Also with end time prophecy, there will appear to be twists and turns until we finally see the fulfilment. We need to keep reasonably open minded and sober and watchful, and the bible needs to be the anchor indeed.
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RE: Preterism vs. Futurism - One Stop Thread - 11/19/2008 2:19:17 PM
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bob97
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Retro…a question;
God had left the temple by the time the Romans brought any defilement of it in 70AD so how could Paul’s statement of 2 Th 2:4 have any bearing on any historically event? Doesn’t this almost demand a future occurrence? That is if we are talking about an affront to God.
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
I have a really hard time accepting the concept that the AC would replace God in a spiritual way is what Paul had in mind.
Bob
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