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The Workings Of Satan - 11/17/2008 11:40:25 AM
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SonicStudent
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2 Thes 2: 9-11
9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
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We've spent a lot of time looking and debating the nations and key persons intentions and actions, or possible next actions recently. However, we should remember that although on the surface we see men’s greed and lust for power and position, there is one underneath that uses this condition of men to manoeuvre, manipulate and deceive men, into fulfilling his plan and mandate, which as we know, God already knows all about and allows this in his wisdom to test mankind's hearts and ultimately bring both men’s and Satan's plans to nothing.
We also sometimes forget that according to scripture, the man of sin is being manoeuvred and manipulated by Satan, or maybe he is aware of who he is and his father’s purposes, as he is allowed to deceive men with power, signs and lying wonders.
Try to keep this on topic, as what I want to do, is to see our views on all the areas we’ve been discussing, in regards to things like:
‘The current economic crisis’ – Is this a deliberate manoeuvre from Satan to create the correct climate he requires to introduce a Global order, which he will transform into a system where he will receive worship? – Do we think this is the working of Satan? And if so, to what extent? How? Or why? Etc…
‘Terrorism and extreme fundamentalists’ – Can we see Satan using this to create an atmosphere of fear, to push people into decisions they may not have otherwise taken? To accept an empire that is fortified, and make us more willing to forfeit our freedoms that we have been used too.
Even men, with their desire to want a world order and world religion. Often these powerful leaders operate within secret societies, or even those leaders that don’t, have a mandate that is hidden from view to the general population, to be able to gain the greater vision that they feel the need to be selective over what they reveal to the general population, for their vision of a better world. – Is Satan behind their desires and ambitions? The secrecy certainly is in keeping with this view!
Evolution – New Age philosophy (that has infiltrated everyday thinking) – The failing environment etc…?
But in every area, my question is: How much of what we see happening today, in all these areas and many more do we believe is Satan manipulating this world, here at the end of days?
I know that if we deny the truth of Christ, all our selfish plans as men are at odds with God. But I'm not talking about this kind of thing. I mean 'Literal End Time, Prophecy Fulfilling Satanic Manipulation Only' - please - Thanks
Sonic
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RE: The Workings Of Satan - 11/17/2008 4:51:16 PM
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jerowhy
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Satan is the tempter. It would seem that some circumstances would imply a deception of sorts. For instance, weather patterns and various occurances of the like. These are birthing pangs as Prophesied by Jesus in accordance with the feast of God Prophesied by the Revelation Armageddon whereby the unclean spirits attack people who do not have the Power of Christ Jesus and the conferrance of His protection to overcome the poisonous darts and arrows and spiritual power of the dark evil one. One way to look at things is also that Lucifer is the accuser of the People whereby he engages them via footholds to cause sin and then accuses them to obtain grantings from God to punish them. Rather than asking for The Day of The Lords Judgement is written for it is a day where who would be able to stand?
So we see that The Almighty Sovereignly controls all things, and confers certain things for Lucifers Kingdom allowance as well whereby the Dragon has his power and we see that there is a time for The Gathering of the Fruits into the Barn and the other Grapes are trampled down.
It is a wonderful opportunity for those who are taken care of to partake in the Grace of Giving and showing Love to their neighbors while simultaneously not encouraging covetousness in accordance with the parable whereby the rich man goes to Temple, but does nothing to gain honor with God in the taking care of someone rather than looking down on anyone of these Little Children in regards to empty 'dogma' or situational dynamics who have Mighty and Powerful protecting and ministering Angels as Jesus taught us. The Kingdom of God does not discriminate on the basis of the outward things. But advances through His Disciples through the preaching of God's Powerful Gospel of Grace and through ministering Holy Spirits and various Anointed Spiritual beings all over the world. The Right Hand of God and The Power of God has all authority over the struggle or warfare that happens on earth through Jacobs Ladder.
If one allows certain 'familiar' spirits to master them, then they are servants of those spirits or 'doctrines' or deluviations or footholds (uncleansed sin that allows the devil kingdom to work through people in evil), or innundations of demons (devil moons or the devils money).
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RE: The Workings Of Satan - 11/17/2008 9:27:02 PM
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Sometimes I wonder if the terrorism is a fear tactic to try to get Americans to give up some of their rights and even to go along with a New World Order. I've seen all the videos with that guy named Aaron Russo. He was friends with Nick Rockefeller and supposedly Rockefeller told him that 9/11 was perpetrated by the government, that wars have been started and are being started in situations where the U.S. cannot win to demoralize the military and American people, and that terrorism was made up to deceive the people into being afraid. It has all been to control all of the people. I don't know if any of it is true. Aaron Russo died and some of his friends think he was assasinated. I don't know. I probably wouldn't pay any attention, except, those World Trade Towers really do look as if they imploded. Is that the word?
And it does seem like the stock market is being manipulated. And it does seem that Henry Paulson and the Bush admin. said the bailout plan had to be passed "right away", like it was a big emergency. They've spent about half of it, won't say where it was spent and are changing their minds about the strategy they thought was going to work, but it isn't...working. It all seems very corrupt.
And Barack Obama said in that 60 Minutes interview that there would be a Republican in his cabinet. I almost jumped up and down with joy until a little voice inside of me said "Whoa! Be careful." I just don't trust him.
I think we are racing into the End Times.
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RE: The Workings Of Satan - 11/18/2008 12:59:46 AM
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Peace to you, Millie,
I, too, am familiar with a lot of the stories and information that comes from this side of the, at least in the mainstream's view, nuthouse. I believe there is a lot of credible evidence out there. In a lot of cases we get the information from actual news outlets (Fox, CNN, Reuters). In other cases, we have to dig deeper (going to government sites and searching through online documents). Still, in many other situations, we do get a good chunk of insider knowledge from people who either have had some connection to these elite powers (like Aaron Russo) and others who are persistent investigators who dedicate their lives to uncovering the truths (Daniel Estulin and Carroll Quigley, a historian who actually agrees with the plans of these elites). Unfortunately, mainstream media usually poo poos such alternative views as being the product of fictitious conspiracy theory and fantasy. I do believe the world has its share of nuts and schemers, but I also believe through careful discerning we can sort fact from fiction.
As for Aaron Russo, the official story is that he died of cancer in 2007. As for the assassination theories, who knows? If it was something devious, the powers-that-be would make sure any incriminating information was buried.
The truth is, I don't think we can draw the line of distinction between Republican and Democrat, anymore. I think those powers make sure that no matter which side wins an election, they have their representatives in place to do their bidding. I think that we, especially us Christians, but even those who champion the cause of liberty that is established in the Constitution, need to really judge candidates by their fruits. Sometimes, the cost of standing on principle means looking like the loser to the world. In reality, we know that we "are more than conquerors" in Christ Jesus.
As for the stock market, it has not tanked, yet. However, by what the news reports daily, you'd think it was in a perpetual free-fall. In reality, the stock market will drop between 200 to 600 points in a two day period and then it will rally for a couple of days. The news outlets, at least what I have heard, will report that it is down a certain number of points or it has risen by a certain number of points. What I have yet to hear is the report that the stock market (Dow Jones Industrial Average) has been closing within the 8,000 - 9,000 point range consistently for at least the past month. It will drift up to a little above 9,000, but it has yet to drop below 8,000. So, it hasn't tanked, but by the reporting most less studious individuals would get the idea that the sky is falling and so will support anywhere tomfoolery and skullduggery that our leaders in government propose. To put it bluntly, I do think there is some perception manipulation, or wagging the dog, going on as it relates to the stock market in an effort to mold the views of listeners and readers. That is why we have to be testing every fact and/or "truth" put before us. "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance," as Thomas Jefferson has pointed out in the past.
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“Well,” says one, “I like to be my own master.” Yes, and that involves two things;
first, you have a very bad master; and, next, your master has a fool for his servant.
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RE: The Workings Of Satan - 11/18/2008 1:11:15 AM
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bob97
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those who champion the cause of liberty that is established in the Constitution, need to really judge candidates by their fruits.
That would be great but today the truth has a real difficult time getting any traction with today's media. They pretty much spin it any way they want.
Even with the conservative media like Fox getting the truth is difficult. I pick up stories on the net from good sources that might not ever make it to the mainline media and if they do they are very late. It's like they know what it is that we need to know better than ourselves.
Bob
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RE: The Workings Of Satan - 11/18/2008 1:24:45 AM
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Josh4LinC
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I couldn't agree with you more. I do have some favorites on those news commentary channels who I perceive as going against the mainstream (Lou Dobbs, Glenn Beck, Judge Andrew Napalitano to name a few). However, it is important that we seek out multiple sources, like we're journalists whose jobs depended on it, for the real news. Also, I would venture to say that CSPAN is usually a good place to get your political news as it happens. Most of the time, you can watch live Congressional debates and/or major world leaders' speeches. I remember watching Britain's PM, Gordon Brown give his speech last Monday praising the emerging New World Order. I got it straight from the horse's mouth. 
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“Well,” says one, “I like to be my own master.” Yes, and that involves two things;
first, you have a very bad master; and, next, your master has a fool for his servant.
- Charles Spurgeon
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RE: The Workings Of Satan - 11/18/2008 9:12:31 AM
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I do not like to act as though these things were not reported to the public. There are those that handle these media reports that understand that there are many groups that need such reports in order to make more informed decisions locally, as well. To me, it is not valid to blame a sparcely and less monopolized ologopoly (joint rulers along with Christ) industry for our lack of being able to handle facts and Truth properly; ourselves. (sheep go astray) It could be for our own vision and protection so that we do not harden our hearts concerning certain rulers who need us to behave properly and orderly and not rebellion or reactionary feelings in accordance with The Gospel for our own sake which is that Love always protects.
The fact is that certain decisions must be placed is written in The Gospel of God. These things must take place regardless of what We think is appropriate.
The New World Order is Prophesied and must come to pass. We see, instead, that this is Good News; for Jesus Messiah is Coming soon! We are not of those who do not what God Speed concerning the Coming Time of The Lord. The rule of Empires has been tribulation and tragic, not fun and games. Is now the time to party when The Bridegroom has yet to appear? We see that there is a time for everything; let us work hard now (New Jerusalem Israel and all of Her Children will be given rest from all of the hard years of their labor is Written), and receive our due reward later is what Jesus said (I will give to each according to what was done; a Just and Merciful decision Maker) after making The Good Talent deposits in giving Gifts to People everywhere; and especially to the believers in Christ.
One can do nothing apart from Christ. To sin is to be coming from the evil one. A Kingdom divided cannot stand. Either one will love Mammon or be devoted to The True Provider which is Christ. Let us hold to Christ's Kingdom in the faith securely building our treasure which The Lord holds in His Hand and none can snatch anything From HIS Hand.
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those who champion the cause of liberty that is established in the Constitution, need to really judge candidates by their fruits.
That would be great but today the truth has a real difficult time getting any traction with today's media. They pretty much spin it any way they want.
Even with the conservative media like Fox getting the truth is difficult. I pick up stories on the net from good sources that might not ever make it to the mainline media and if they do they are very late. It's like they know what it is that we need to know better than ourselves.
Bob
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RE: The Workings Of Satan - 11/18/2008 11:51:38 AM
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SonicStudent
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those who champion the cause of liberty that is established in the Constitution, need to really judge candidates by their fruits.
That would be great but today the truth has a real difficult time getting any traction with today's media. They pretty much spin it any way they want.
Even with the conservative media like Fox getting the truth is difficult. I pick up stories on the net from good sources that might not ever make it to the mainline media and if they do they are very late. It's like they know what it is that we need to know better than ourselves.
Bob
Yes Bob, spot on!
Few know the real goings on with world leaders. Even the spin that is put on stories is often spun to push their own political stance. You've really got to read several reports on the same event and try to read between the lines. Most everything is monipulated in the news. Frustrating really, but yes, very true Bob.
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RE: The Workings Of Satan - 11/18/2008 1:03:58 PM
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It really seems that everyone who assumes a position of power changes their agenda and become someone else. I know there are things we ordinary folks are unaware of and compromises must be made. With government it seems a consensuses governs
But the reality is…who can we trust of those who are in power? Example; George W.; I’ve always taken him to be a man of Christ but I’ve seen him do some pretty weird stuff…like moving towards a common union of the North American Countries.
And the financial decisions that only line the pockets of those in power…there is something seriously wrong here.
It seems normal men are just not made to have unlimited power…it always seems to corrupt.
Bob
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RE: The Workings Of Satan - 11/18/2008 2:04:51 PM
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SonicStudent
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It really seems that everyone who assumes a position of power changes their agenda and become someone else. I know there are things we ordinary folks are unaware of and compromises must be made. With government it seems a consensuses governs
But the reality is…who can we trust of those who are in power? Example; George W.; I’ve always taken him to be a man of Christ but I’ve seen him do some pretty weird stuff…like moving towards a common union of the North American Countries.
And the financial decisions that only line the pockets of those in power…there is something seriously wrong here.
It seems normal men are just not made to have unlimited power…it always seems to corrupt.
Bob
That will always be true I think. I remember voting for Tony Blair twice and at the time, sure, his policies were indeed the better choice and the man I'm sure was true about his intensions etc. However, towards the end of his second time in power, all sorts of stuff came out about suspect transactions, his intensions regarding Iraq and war against terror ect. Later (and even more now) he is pushing a union of faiths to fit in with 'this new world order'. So yes, I think once you have power it isn't long before you'll do anything to keep hold of it. Even if that means going along with the policies that the 'real' power people want you too.
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RE: The Workings Of Satan - 11/18/2008 8:00:17 PM
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Sorry jerowhy but the Christian faith is based on grace and truth. When I’m voting for a person claiming to be a Christian I expect him to be truthful in all things and so does God. No man can serve God and be otherwise.
I understand the God has His agenda and His will be done. I understand that we are more than likely living in the last days and I expect those things prophesied will come to pass. That coming is a two edged sword…we want Christ to return but the birth pains of the process might not be pleasant.
Regardless I will continue to look for truth in all things and will loudly express my dissatisfaction with any and all lies. I will continue to oppose evil in all forms and pray that righteousness prevails.
Bob
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RE: The Workings Of Satan - 11/19/2008 1:27:54 AM
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Right on, Bob. Our citizenship may lie in Heaven, but we still are in the world. We are the salt of the Earth. Now is not the time to lose our flavor. That includes being alert and watching the signs of the times. Jesus and the prophets wouldn't have bothered to give us any signs if they were not useful for us.
In the same respect, we, who live in nations where we have enjoyed great freedom and prosperity, have not just a right, but a duty to exercise any rights (voting, supporting good candidates for government, holding those elected accountable) we have to stand on principle, truth, peace, and love. The Mises Institute (economic think tank that subscribes to the Austrian School of economics) has a good motto that they hold to that I think we, too, can benefit from:
"Do not give in to evil, but proceed ever more boldly against it."
Jesus never wanted us to merely sit and wait for his coming. We are to be active in the world. First, we are to spread the Gospel of the Kingdom of God to all nations, make disciples, and baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. At the same time, we are to work, set a good example, raise your children right, support principled and, if possible, God fearing government officials. We need to be peacemakers; love our neighbors; and, ultimately, stand firm on the Word and principle when the waves started crashing. We should also stay alert to what is happening in our community, nation, and world. How else can we see the signs unless we are watching?
We don't contend to judge any man's heart, but we will make principled judgments of someone's deeds. Final judgment belongs to Jesus, but we should be able to identify genuine faith by the fruit that faith produces.
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“Well,” says one, “I like to be my own master.” Yes, and that involves two things;
first, you have a very bad master; and, next, your master has a fool for his servant.
- Charles Spurgeon
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RE: The Workings Of Satan - 11/27/2008 11:28:05 PM
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Retrobyter
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Shalom, Josh4LinC.
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Right on, Bob. Our citizenship may lie in Heaven, but we still are in the world. We are the salt of the Earth. Now is not the time to lose our flavor. That includes being alert and watching the signs of the times. Jesus and the prophets wouldn't have bothered to give us any signs if they were not useful for us.
In the same respect, we, who live in nations where we have enjoyed great freedom and prosperity, have not just a right, but a duty to exercise any rights (voting, supporting good candidates for government, holding those elected accountable) we have to stand on principle, truth, peace, and love. The Mises Institute (economic think tank that subscribes to the Austrian School of economics) has a good motto that they hold to that I think we, too, can benefit from:
"Do not give in to evil, but proceed ever more boldly against it."
Jesus never wanted us to merely sit and wait for his coming. We are to be active in the world. First, we are to spread the Gospel of the Kingdom of God to all nations, make disciples, and baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. At the same time, we are to work, set a good example, raise your children right, support principled and, if possible, God fearing government officials. We need to be peacemakers; love our neighbors; and, ultimately, stand firm on the Word and principle when the waves started crashing. We should also stay alert to what is happening in our community, nation, and world. How else can we see the signs unless we are watching?
We don't contend to judge any man's heart, but we will make principled judgments of someone's deeds. Final judgment belongs to Jesus, but we should be able to identify genuine faith by the fruit that faith produces.
Just a short comment: Do you know how salt "loses its flavor?" Salt is a simple chemical compound. There's nothing that it can lose to become something else, something tainted.
If NaCl were to lose its sodium component (Na), it would become a dangerous, noxious gas, chlorine (Cl).
If it lost its chlorine component (Cl), it would become a toxic metal that would be equally as poisonous (Na).
The truth is the way that salt "loses its flavor" is that something is ADDED to it (like dirt); it becomes contaminated! Once salt becomes contaminated, once it becomes dirty, one cannot use it to season food. It's only purpose at that point would be to salt a pathway both to melt ice that may be on the path, or to inhibit the growth of vegetation on the path, and to keep the pathway clear.
(A hint at progress: Now, we might take that dirty salt and use it on the ice in an ice cream churn and make home-made ice cream! LOL!)
Retrobyter
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RE: The Workings Of Satan - 11/28/2008 4:51:12 AM
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Josh4LinC
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Wait, you mean ice melt isn't as good as table salt to eat?   Thanks, Retro. Man, Turkey-Day finally comes and suddenly food becomes a part of all our discussions.
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“Well,” says one, “I like to be my own master.” Yes, and that involves two things;
first, you have a very bad master; and, next, your master has a fool for his servant.
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